@ablerism Aha, makes sense! I haven't read MacIntyre in a while, but AV and Three Rival Versions of Moral Enquiry left a big impression on me (speaking as an inveterate normie who can't pretend to follow half of this stuff). Anyway I was trying to track down where else I'd seen MacIntyre pop up recently-ish and came up with this review in the LRB of a biography published in '22 and this post by Adam Kotsko, which reminded me a lot of the opening section of AV.